Recently, I saw a video by YouTuber Omedyashar (a.k.a. Yosef), a former Christian who converted to Orthodox Judaism. In his video, he responds to the following question:
"In the New Testament, Jesus' ascension into heaven was witnessed by many people. As you place great emphasis on the importance of witnesses and witnessing an event as proof, for example Mount Sinai where God speaks and everybody hears, what is your understanding of how so many people may have witnessed such an event if it either did not happen or could not happen due to Jesus being a false Messiah?"The question has a great deal of merit, but can be made even stronger. If we give secular historians the benefit of the doubt, what information can we glean about Jesus of Nazareth? I will go through three passages believed by the majority of New Testament historians to be historically authentic.
First, Jesus' claim in Matthew 11. Jesus says: "All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." This passage is considered historically authentic because Jesus is claiming to be unknowable. Yet, the post-Easter church taught that you can know Jesus. Therefore, this passage is very unlikely to have been fabricated. In this passage, Jesus is claiming to have a unique relationship to the Father, superior to all of humanity, and to be the only way to know the Father.
Second, Jesus' parable of the tenants in the vineyard in Mark 12. In this parable, the landowner goes away on a long journey and leaves a group of tenants in charge. During the harvest, the owner sends a series of servants to collect payment, and each time, the wicked tenants kill the servant. Finally, the owner sends his own son to collect payment, and the tenants kill him as well. The landowner represents God the Father. The servants represent the prophets of Israel. The son represents Jesus, and the land represents the land of Israel. The point of the parable is that because of the disobedience of the people of Israel, God would strip the land from the Jews and give it to the gentiles, at least for a time. In this parable, Jesus portrays himself as superior to all the prophets.
Third is Jesus' saying in Matthew 24: "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Here, Jesus places himself in a position on an ascending scale. He sees himself as superior to humanity, and even above the angels in heaven. Historians consider ths passage almost indisputably authentic, because the church would not invent a passage where Jesus ascribes ignorance to himself (the knowledge was suppressed in his subconscious). Indeed, the manuscript evidence shows that many copyists tried to remove the phrase "nor the son" from the passage.
However, there is also strong evidence for the historicity of Jesus' resurrection. The passage recording the appearance of Jesus to more than 500 people at one time comes from 1 Corinthians 15. 1 Corinthians is one of the best attested books in the New Testament, considered by secular historians as authentically Pauline, and written around the year 56 of the Common Era. The passage I am about to quote, however, is considered, even by atheists like Gerd Ludemann, a piece of oral tradition that dates back to within 5 years of the crucifixion. Here it is.
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.Yosef's video response, far from answering this challenge, shows just how indefensible Rabbinical Judaism is against evidential arguments. First, let's get the quick answers to his questions out of the way.
(1 Corinthians 15:3-8 ESV)
Q. Why is James not considered among the twelve?
A. Because it was a separate appearance to James the brother of Jesus, who was not one of the twelve apostles.
Q. Why didn't Paul refer to this appearance to 500 when he preached to the people of Antioch in Acts chapter 13?
A. He didn't need to. He made mention of Jesus' repeated appearances to many people over many days. The people of Antioch were convinced by Paul's teaching, and by the next Sabbath, huge crowds came to listen to the preaching of Paul and Barnabas.
Q. Couldn't an imposter have posed as the resurrected Jesus for the 500?
A. Conspiracy theory hypotheses to explain the belief in Jesus' resurrection have been universally rejected from the professional historical journals since the 18th century. The conspiracy hypothesis implies that the disciples suffered torture and died for something they knew firsthand to be a lie. Worse than that, the hypothesis is deeply anachronistic. The idea of a crucified Messiah was as absurd to Second Temple Judaism as the idea of a married bachelor, and Jewish expectations of the day precluded anyone experiencing resurrection before the general resurrection at the end of the world. No one was expecting Jesus to come back from the dead.
Q. Jesus wasn't the firstfruits of the resurrection.
A. The Tanakh teaches about resurrection in Isaiah 26, Ezekiel 37, and Daniel 12. So I am glad that he affirms that God can raise the dead. However, resurrection is not merely the return of the soul to a lifeless body.
The Second Temple belief in resurrection is stated well in Daniel 12:2. "Those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awaken; some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Resurrection was defined as something that happens at the end of the age, where the dead will be brought back to life and transformed supernaturally into an immortal state, where they will then be judged by God.
Therefore, it is incorrect to think of Lazarus and others raised from the dead as resurrected. A better term would be resuscitation. They were brought back to life, but in the same weak, frail, mortal bodies in which they died, and they all died at a later date. Jesus was the first and only so far to be resurrected into the supernaturally powerful and immortal state as predicted by Daniel. Hence, he is the first of the resurrected dead.
Q. Didn't Jesus abolish the law, which would make him a false prophet under Deuteronomy 12?
A. Jesus did not abolish the law. He reinterpreted it so that it became an internal moral guide. Even the Rabbis agree that the Law of Moses makes no sense unless it is interpreted. After the destruction of the second temple, the vast majority of the Mosaic commands simply could not be followed, and required reinterpretation in order to be followed. The only difference I have with Rabbinical Judaism is that I believe that it is Jesus who has the ultimate authority over interpreting the Torah, and not the Rabbis.
Except for the last one, these types of questions betray a deep ignorance of the New Testament. An undergraduate in any decent seminary could have answered them.
With that out of the way, we can get to the real heart of the issue: the Rabbinic dismissal of evidence. Historically, the Rabbis have been somewhat paranoid of evidence that might undermine their claims to absolute authority over the Jewish people. No example better illustrates this than the Akhnai Oven in tractate Bava Metzia of the Talmud:
It is taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument, but the Sages did not accept any of them. Finally he said to them: "If the Halakhah (religious law) is in accordance with me, let this carob tree prove it!" Sure enough the carob tree immediately uprooted itself and moved one hundred cubits, and some say 400 cubits, from its place. "No proof can be brought from a carob tree," they retorted.Besides the misquote of Exodus 23:2, which says do not go with the majority, the deeper problem here is that the Rabbis simply refuse to admit any evidence that clashes with their beliefs. God himself must submit to the will of the Rabbis.
And again he said to them "If the Halakhah agrees with me, let the channel of water prove it!" Sure enough, the channel of water flowed backward. "No proof can be brought from a channel of water," they rejoined.
Again he urged, "If the Halakhah agrees with me, let the walls of the house of study prove it!" Sure enough, the walls tilted as if to fall. But R. Joshua, rebuked the walls, saying, "When disciples of the wise are engaged in a halakhic dispute, what right have you to interfere?" Hence in deference to R. Joshua they did not fall and in deference to R. Eliezer they did not resume their upright position; they are still standing aslant.
Again R. Eliezer then said to the Sages, "If the Halakhah agrees with me, let it be proved from heaven." Sure enough, a divine voice cried out, "Why do you dispute with R. Eliezer, with whom the Halakhah always agrees?" R. Joshua stood up and protested: "The Torah is not in heaven!" (Deut. 30:12). We pay no attention to a divine voice because long ago at Mount Sinai You wrote in your Torah at Mount Sinai, `After the majority must one incline'. (Ex. 23:2)"
I actually agree with one atheist blogger when he said: "One simply cannot presuppose the truths of disputable historical events prior to investigating whether or not those events actually took place and keep a straight face."
It is very hard to take someone seriously who holds a position on historical events and absolutely refuses to allow evidence to change his mind. The idea that the Rabbis today have an uncorrupted and authoritative tradition that comes from Moses on Sinai is a historical claim and is subject to historical investigation. If you do not allow your views on this matter to be falsified by evidence, you risk delusion.
You become like the man who went to his doctor believing that he was a dead corpse. The doctor argued to the patient's satisfaction that corpses have no pulse and cannot bleed. The doctor then pricked the finger of the man, and blood came out. The man looked at his bleeding finger and concluded "I guess corpses can bleed." The man, like the Rabbis, was not open to evidence. And what better evidence is there against the Rabbinic tradition, than the evidence for the radical self-image and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. If the Rabbis were correct, then the last thing one would expect is for the God of Israel to resurrect from the dead a man who saw himself as the great divine judge of humanity as prophesied in Daniel 7.
So again I ask: on what consistent basis can the Rabbis accept the historicity of the Exodus while rejecting the historicity of the radical self-image and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth? And if your religion cannot handle this evidence, I suggest you get yourself a new religion.
For further reading on this subject, the Resurrection of the Son of God by N.T. Wright is a thorough, scholarly work on the subject. Wright is one of the world's leading scholars on late Second Temple Judaism and provides a very detailed account on the people, culture, and idea of resurrection during that time period. Wright also does ground-clearing work, refuting every major alternative hypothesis to the resurrection.
1. How do we know that the sentence about the 500 people wasn't added subsequently to the text? I hate the fact that you quote secular historians, that if EVEN THEY agree that a text is reliable, then it must be reliable. That's foolish. This is an intelligent blog. We have to roll our own sleeves up. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE SENTENCE WASN'T ADDED MUCH LATER?
ReplyDelete2. The thing about the Jesus sightings is this. Do they describe how long the visions of Jesus were? If not, they are worthless. Brief visions, even by large groups of people, are common -- any glittering star, or waving tree, is interpreted as being "Jesus" or "Mary" or "Zues" or any other preference.
3. How do we know that Paul wasn't a bold-faced liar? All the books could have been written by him.
4. You wrote: "The idea of a crucified Messiah was as absurd to Second Temple Judaism as the idea of a married bachelor, and Jewish expectations of the day precluded anyone experiencing resurrection before the general resurrection at the end of the world." False. The Talmud states that some (late Second-temple) rabbis opined that Daniel may be resurrected and would become the Messia (Sanhedrin 98b). The opinions about the Messiah were extremely varied. There was no one opinion. And there is no way of knowing definitively what the common beliefs (if any) about the Messiah were during Jesus' time. It's wishful thinking on your part to assume that the Jews had one hard view on the matter.
Second, people's imaginations are very wide. Do you claim that people simply couldn't think, or imagine, the whole Jesus story?
5. You claim that Jesus merely interpretted the text (BTW, don't be fooled by Jesus' lovey-dovey talk in the New Testament; he was a populist; he knew that the lower classes of Jews had trouble keeping the laws, so he "focused" on the lovey-dovey stuff, similar to how the reformed jews talk about "tikkun olam", when they really mean "let me do whatever the hell I want.") Fine, but what authority did Jesus have to interpret the text? The Rabbis at least claimed that due to the fact that they (as least some of them) sat on the Sanhedrin, or due to the fact that they at least claimed a direct line back to Moses, so they had a certian authority. But what did Jesus have? Even prophets are subject to a certain outside authority, and they are even put to death at times. So being a prophet doesn't help you much.
None of those points is remotely plausible. All manuscript evidence, including quotations by Clement of Rome around the year 90 include the passage in 1 Corinthians. And it doesn't merely record seeing Jesus in a slice of burnt toast but appearances of his body, even to unbelievers such as his brother James and Paul (the first century director of Yad L'Achim). The "guilty until proven innocent" method of historiography would make most of ancient history unknowable. Finally, Jesus interpreted the Torah on the authority of Yahweh, God of Israel. He performed miracles and even was raised from the dead in order to validate that authority. I do agree, however, that if Jesus had that level of authority, the Rabbis did not.
ReplyDeleteDrew, what do you make of the scholarly view that Jesus never claimed to be God? From my research, this seems to be a given among contemporary scholarship, such as John Hick's statement that scholars, with an "impressive degree of unanimity," say Jesus never claimed divinity?
ReplyDeleteYour argument seems to rely on that assumption ("a man who saw himself as the great divine judge of humanity as prophesied in Daniel 7.")
So is your reasoning dependent on Jesus' claims to divinity?
Good question. I have a 3 video series on that. I hope to make a fourth one regarding the early church's view on the subject. Just search for the Jesus as God posts.
ReplyDeleteThanks. I watched all 3 videos, but your videos seemed to discuss whether the NT claims Jesus is God, but that’s not what I asked.
ReplyDeleteI asked whether you think Jesus himself made this claim. Obviously, the two statements are not the same thing. Most of your NT quotes were from the book of John, which, as you know, reflects a high Christology that is unique among the gospels.
About those NT quotes, Hick writes: “Among mainline NT scholars, both conservative and liberal, Catholic and Protestant, there is today a general consensus that these are not pronouncements of the historical Jesus but words put into his mouth some sixty to seventy years later by a Christian writer expressing the theology that had developed.”
Hans Kung: “"Even more conservative exegetes conclude that Jesus himself did not assume any title implying messianic dignity: not messiah, nor Son of David, nor Son, nor Son of God.”
CFD Moule: “Any case for a high Christology that depended on the authenticity of the alleged claims of Jesus about himself, especially in the 4th Gospel, would be precarious.”
Brian Hebblweaite: “It is no longer possible to defend the divinity of Jesus by referring to the claims of Jesus.”
If I am understanding you correctly, your claims about the resurrection do in fact rely on Jesus’ claims to divinity (ie. The resurrection validated these claims).
But if, as contemporary scholarship contends, Jesus never made such claims in the first place, that would invalidate your statements such as: “a man who saw himself as the great divine judge of humanity.” In other words, I fail to see how a miracle can validate a claim that was never made in the first place.
I bring this up because you made multiple references to scholarly opinion, and I’m sure you are aware that your argument relies on an assumption not accepted by most scholars.
Or am I misunderstanding you and your videos, and you do not claim Jesus ever claimed divinity?
The claim that most scholars agree that Jesus never claimed to be God is false, unless you mean in the very narrow sense of Jesus saying "I am God" in which case I agree he never made that claim. However, as I mentioned in the videos,
ReplyDelete1. Jesus claimed to forgive sins, something only God could do
2. Jesus freely accepted worship, which Paul and Barnabas did not accept, claiming that you must worship God alone
3. The rise of the belief in Jesus' deity among a Jewish populace is unlikely if Jesus did not teach it.
4. The message that God was crucified was considered a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles, so the early church would not have fabricated it
Totally forgot to mention: most scholars do not believe Jesus was raised from the dead, yet that hardly undermines the minimal facts approach. It reflects the bias of modern scholarship more than anything about the evidence.
ReplyDeleteDrew,
ReplyDeleteLove your videos and I must say that I have watched every video of your's numerous times. I am promoting your blog on Christian Forums to thier Jewish community. They have a great deal of Orthadox and Messianic Jews and have some very spirited debates. I post under the handle SecondTimeAround. God bless you and your work. You will be seeing me on here and I will sign:
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Greetings Drew
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed reading this article. I have no sound on my computer to watch your videos. I think I will have to work on that.
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