Tuesday, March 29, 2011

The Ontological Argument for the Triune God

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The Ontological Argument is a purely a priori logical argument that operates like a mathematical proof. It derives the existence of a perfect being from the laws of modal logic themselves. It's a technical argument for the existence and properties of God. That's why this is my favorite argument for the existence of God, because it goes beyond fallible evidence and when understood correctly, is virtually impossible to argue against.

In the field of philosophical theology, there are two competing definitions of God. In creator theology, God is defined as "the creator of all that is not God." In perfect being theology, God is defined as "A Maximally Great Being" which means that God possesses all great-making, properties such as love, knowledge, and power, and possesses each in a maximal way. He also possesses no flaws, such as immorality. He would be all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing. I intend to show you three things about this Maximally Great Being:

This video will present and defend three points:
1. A Maximally Great Being Exists (hence, perfect being theology is correct)
2. Only one Maximally Great Being can possibly exist (hence monotheism is true)
3. A Maximally Great Being must be multipersonal (the being must exist in two or more persons)

Let's start defining things before we get into the argument. First up: possible world. A possible world is basically a hypothetical situation. Calling it a possible world is not to say that such a world actually exists. It's just a description of what reality might be; a way for philosophers to see what ideas are coherent and what ideas are not. If something is possible, then we say that it exists in some possible world.

In metaphysics, the term "possible" has a different meaning than in epistemology. In epistemology, you could look at a difficult math problem and say "it's possible that there is a solution for it" which is like saying "for all I know, there is a solution to this problem." In metaphysics, something is possible if it is logically coherent. For example, my wearing a red shirt is possible, but the existence of square circles is not metaphysically possible.

If something is possible, it exists in a possible world. Rolling a six on a die is one example. If something is necessary, it exists in all possible worlds. The laws of mathematics are examples of this. If something is contingent, it exists in some possible worlds but not in others. If something is impossible, then it exists in no possible worlds. A square circle would be an example of this.

Next up entailment. Entail means "to imply necessarily." For example, shape entails size. If something has a shape, it necessarily has a size. After that: Great-making properties. A great-making property is a property that it is better to have than to lack. A lesser-making property is a property that it is better to lack than to have. A neutral property is one that is neither. Maximal greatness is the state of having all great-making propertries, and to their maximal extent. It also means having no lesser-making properties. One of these properties is necessity. Nothing that exists contingently can be maximally great. This is not to say that something has to exist to be maximally great. Instead, if something maximally great exists, then its existence is either necessary or impossible.

Now one Immanuel Kant's objections to an obsolete version of this argument is that existence is not a property. This is true. And this argument does not assume that it is. It is immune to the classic criticisms of Anselm's ontological argument.

Necessity is a property. Existence is not. Necessity does not entail existence. Necessity just means that if something exists, it exists in all possible worlds. Numbers have this property.

Now on to the Ontological Argument itself. This argument has five premises, which if true, entail the conclusion.

Premise 1: It is possible that a Maximally Great Being (MGB) exists
Premise 2: If it is possible that a MGB exists, then a MGB exists in some possible world
Premise 3: If a MGB exists in some possible world, then a MGB exists in all possible worlds
Premise 4: If a MGB exists in all possible worlds, then a MGB exists in the actual world
Premise 5: If a MGB exists in the actual world, then a MGB exists
Conclusion: A MGB exists.

Premises 2 through 5 are pretty uncontroversial in academia. They are just restatements of the laws of modal logic, accepted by theist and atheist philosophers alike. The controversy is in Premise 1. Is it possible (metaphysically) that a Maximally Great Being exists. I think that on the face of it, we have good reason to believe that it is true. As long as the concept of a Maximally Great Being is coherent, and does not violate any known necessary truths, then Premise 1 is true. A school of philosophy called "natural atheology" has attempted to build arguments against the coherence of a Maximally Great Being, but this project has been all but abandoned. Richard Swinburne explains why in his book: The Coherence of Theism.

But I think we can advance an argument in favor of Premise 1, that will make it airtight. It was developed by Robert Maydole and is called the Modal Perfection Argument. For the sake of this argument, we can go with the following definitions:

Great-making property: A property that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and metaphysically necessary being must have.
Lesser-making property: A property that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and metaphysically necessary being cannot have.

Here is how it works:

1. If a property is a great-making property, its negation is a lesser-making property
2. Great-making properties do not entail lesser-making properties
3. Maximal Greatness is a great-making property
Hence, Maximal Greatness cannot entail its negation of non-Maximal Greatness.

It is perfectly within the laws of modal logic for a property (which is not a perfection) to entail its negation. If a property is an incoherent (or impossible) property (square-circleness is an example, so we'll call this S), then it's necessary that everything has the negation of S (we'll call this ~S) as a property. That's what it means for a property to be impossible. But if everything has ~S, that means that every property entails ~S. If it didn't, then something could have some other property and not have ~S, which means it would have S, which means S would be a possible property. But if every property entails ~S, then S also entails ~S. This is consistent with the Principle of Explosion, which states that if you assert a contradiction, you can logically infer anything from it.

Hence, if it is impossible that a Maximally Great Being exists, then necessarily, nothing has Maximal Greatness. Hence, all things have non-Maximal Greatness. Hence, all properties entail non-Maximal Greatness, including Maximal Greatness. But we just established that Maximal Greatness cannot entail non-Maximal Greatness.

For the minority of philosophers who deny the principle of explosion, here is another way to view the argument. If Maximal Greatness is an impossible property, then all properties entail non-Maximal Greatness. Hence, no property can be a great-making property. But this is absurd. It would mean that some properties such as goodness, intelligence, and wisdom are not better to have than to lack. So again, there is no way that Maximal Greatness is an impossible property.

But that would mean that its is possible that a Maximally Great Being exists. And therefore such a being exists in some possible world, and therefore in every world, and therefore in this world. And since some of these properties such as omnipotence, omniscience, and moral perfection entail personality, then it follows that this Maximally Great Being must be personal. But that's the definition of a personal God. Hence, perfect being theology is correct.

Let's go through a few of the common objections. The first is Dawkins' own delusional objection. In The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins attempts to use this argument to disprove the existence of God. He says that if God is the greatest possible being, then wouldn't it be greater for God to not exist and still bring the universe into being? But far from undermining the Ontological Argument, it shows its coherence.

To answer Dawkins: Greater? Maybe. Possible? No. For in what possible world does a non-existent being exist?

What about a Maximally Great Pizza or a Maximally Great Bird? The problem with positing anything physical, is that physical things are dependent on space for their existence. And we know from modern cosmology that space once existed as a singularity, and no bird or pizza in such a state would even be a bird or a pizza. So the idea of a necessarily existing physical thing is undercut.

But how do we know that only one Maximally Great Being exists? Some of the properties possessed by a Maximally Great Being cannot exist in more than one being in any possible world. Omnipotence is one example. If multiple beings are omnipotent, then a logical contradiction follows if their wills come into conflict. If one omnipotent being chooses to bring about a state of affairs where a green elephant exists, then such a state of affairs will be actualized. But if another omnipotent being in the same world wants to bring about a state of affairs where a green elephant does not exist, then that state of affairs will be actualized. So in this world, a green elephant would both exist and not exist, but no possible world can contain such a contradictory state of affairs. So no possible world can have multiple omnipotent beings. Hence, there can only be one God.

Alexander Pruss presents the same idea worded differently: "Omnipotence requires perfect freedom and an e fficacious will. But there cannot be two beings with perfect freedom and an e fficacious will. For if they are perfectly free, they will be able to will incompatible propositions to be true, and then one of their wills shall have to fail to be e fficacious. (This argument assumes that we are individuating beings in such a way that distinct beings with will have their own will. If God is a Trinity, the persons of the Trinity do not have distinct wills, and hence will not count as distinct beings in our sense.)"

Robert Maydole's solution is to add the premise:
4. Being Supreme is a great-making property
Since being supreme entails that all other beings are inferior, only one MGB can exist! Again, there can only be one God.

Finally, what about a unitarian or uni-personal God? I'm afraid such a being, too would not be Maximally Great. For at least one of the properties of such a being, love, is problematic. In order to be necessarily loving, God must be loving in all possible worlds. Since all that is not God is subject to the creative and destructive power of the omnipotent one, God can be the only necessarily existing being. This means that there are possible worlds where God alone exists. But is God loving in those worlds? It would make no sense to say that God is loving in a state of affairs where only he exists. Does he love himself? Self-love doesn't sound like love. Love has to be expressed between one person and another in order to be true love. But that means that God must exist in at least two persons, if not more. Hence, unitarianism is false.

I want to remind all my viewers that both of these arguments are logically valid deductive arguments. You cannot avoid the conclusion of this argument without denying at least one of the premises. And in order to justify that denial, you have to show that the negation is more plausible than the premise itself. But I think to any fair-minded individual, all premises presented are pretty obviously true. And with this sequence, we have a logical proof of the existence of God. The Triune God of Scripture lives, and atheism is toast.

Part 2 (The S5 Objection and de re modality) is here!

Part 3: The Greatness Objection

36 comments:

  1. Great video, but I was wondering if you could answer a further question for me. I've heard this one a few times, from Unitarians in general (and even from Orthodox Jews, who seem to be one of the main "targets" of your videos): Why does Trinitarianism stop at three persons, other than the fact that that's what the NT (and arguably the OT) says? The argument leaves room open for God to be multipersonal, but why are there only 3 members of the Godhead and not 50 or 1000?

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  2. Hi,

    I think the Ontological Argument is sound. I like the argument a lot. But I recently faced a serious objection to which I am having difficulty responding.

    It goes like this:

    A maximally evil being (MEB) is a being that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnimalevolent and a being that exists necessarily.

    1. It is possible that a MEB exists
    2. If its possible that a MEB exists, then a MEB exists in some possible world
    3. If a MEB exists in some possible world, then it exists in every world

    ....

    How would you respond?

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  3. I would deny premise 1 of the MEB argument. Remember that I already gave an argument against the existence of multiple gods. If a MGB exists, all other concrete objects would fall under the creative and destructive power of that being's omnipotence.

    Hence, if it is possible that a MGB exists, it is not possible that any other necessarily existing concrete object exists. And the Modal Perfection Argument does establish that it is possible a MGB exists.

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  4. hi, I would like to hear a response to the first question, which I think is very good; why "stop" at three persons, why not suppose, as the quakers did regarding sacraments - there are not seven, but "seven times seven"?

    Fr. Hopko at St. Vladimir's Seminary briefly quipped what may be a response to the supposition of "why not more" towards the end of this sample; self and AN Other;

    http://oneplusoneequalsfive.blogspot.com/2008/03/forgiveness-by-fr-tom-hopko.html

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  5. This argument does not address that question. It merely establishes two conclusions:

    1. Monotheism is true
    2. Unitarianism is false

    And that's it.

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  6. I wouldn't ask of it what it can't deliver, but I think JLF asks a good question is all.

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  7. You make claims saying they are virtually irrefutable and then don't allow people to rate or comment on your YouTube videos...?

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  8. I'm convinced that the YouTube comments section was designed as an experiment to measure the height of human stupidity.

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  9. P1: It is possible that a Supreme Being (SB) does not exist
    P2: If it is possible that no SB exists, then no SB exists in some possible world
    P3: If no SB exists in some possible world, then no SB exists in all possible worlds
    P4: If no SB exists in all possible worlds, then no SB exists in the actual world

    how would u respond?
    P5: If no SB exists in the actual world, then no SB exists
    Conclusion: no SB exists.

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  10. I think there are a couple of interesting ways to respond to JLF's question.

    The first is that there is simply no reason for any more than three divine persons and without a reason motivating more divine persons, we ought not expect that there be any more.

    Another suggestion is that more than three divine persons would be metaphysically extraneous and we would not expect this kind of metaphysical extraneousness of God.

    One other interesting suggestion is that with more divine persons, God's glory is spread thinner and thinner, and we would expect God to retain for himself as much glory as is metaphysically possible.

    The last suggestion is most appropriate when the question (why just three?) is asked in response to Swinburne's formulation of trinitarianism.

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  11. Love is a great making property.
    I'm not so sure 2 MGB's individual wills would clash if they are both maximally loving. Also if they're all-knowing('maxed-out' great-making property) wouldn't they both be taking the same things(at the very least the opposing will of the opposite MGB) into consideration before creating the existence & non-existence of green elephants simultaneously. I don't think God intended for us to rely so rigidly upon logic in the path to discovering who/what he really is; but rather to rely on Him(you know, Faith). excuse my layman talk. very interesting!

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  12. The paradox holds as long as it is even possible for their wills to come into conflict. Since God's will varies from possible world to possible world (or else we collapse into fatalism), two perfect beings could desire different states of affairs. If that happens, omnipotence is compromised for one or both beings.

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  13. An atheist recently asked me how can a Maximally Great Being create a stone so big even He can't move it? I cannot seem to answer this one, because it seems to create a paradox in the omnipotence factor of a Maximally Great Being. How do you respond to this? It is probably something simple that I am not realizing.

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  14. Doesn't this argument beg the question? Aren't you assuming that God is necessary (existing in all possible worlds) in premise 1?

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  15. Premise 3 is not controversial. The idea of necessary beings exists in other systems as well, such as in Platonism. Premise 1 is controversial, and that is why I gave the Modal Perfection Argument to support it.

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  16. Couldn't it also be argued that only a Triune God can be necessary? I mean how could God be necessary if there are possible worlds were He alone exists? Who needs Him in those worlds? However, a Triune God can be necessary because each person of the Trinity needs each other.
    It this a valid claim?

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  17. Ok, I am still having a problem with this argument, because I can picture a world without God, therefore there is a possible world where He doesn't exist. If it is possible to picture a world that exists on its own then isn't it not possible that God exists in all possible worlds?

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  18. @Drew- I serrendipitously concocted a marvelous argument to answer your aforementioned problem. Imagine God creating a stone the size of the universe- it's so large that there is no excess space where a a tangible entity could move around in. God could invoke some kind of divine/natural phenomenon to shift the stone for him. Therefore, in effect, God has basically engendered a stone that he can't move, but does move. :) This following analogy encapsulates my nifty idea: A normal man is generally incapable of moving a regular car by manual force alone, but if/were he provided a lever/fulcrum, the power to move the car would temporarily be endowed unto him for the feat. You could extend my thoughts further to ruminate about more convoluted inquiries. I'm only in grade 8, so I don't think I completely dispelled the adversity of the issue, but I tried to help.

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  19. "Ok, I am still having a problem with this argument, because I can picture a world without God"

    You're probably envisioning our world of trees, wildlife, civilizations etc. which doesn't highlight anything about whether God exists or not per se. Elaborate.

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  20. Hi Drew,

    This is the video that originally brought me to your channel. About a month ago I posted this in the Christian Forums apolgetics thread. It was met with the usual criticisms, the maximally great unicorn stands out. The funniest one I heard however was that they tried to argue that a maximally least great being exists, which of course I explained that a mlgb would entail nessacary non-existance and therefore would not exist. I really couldn't believe that objection was even raised. However I an objection has been brought to my attention that I lack the training required to answer it in any manner outside of a strawman, here is our correspondence:

    Judechild:

    But I still say that the Ontological Argument is flawed, and that is primarily because it treats existence as a predicate; it is not. An apple has several predicates (e.g., the general shape, the plant matter it is made of, and the process that it grows), but all of its predicates are dependent on existence, without which no predication can occur. In other words, while I can be said to "have two legs," I cannot properly be said to "have existence;" I simply exist, and my existence makes possible my predicates.

    Since existence is not a predicate, then existence is not within the concept of a Being Greater than Which Cannot Be Conceived, and so it does not prove the existence of God.

    STA (myself):

    here is a quote from the first video:

    Necessity is a property. Existence is not. Necessity does not entail existence. Necessity just means that if something exists, it exists in all possible worlds. Numbers have this property.

    Judechild's response:

    "necessity" is not itself (humerously) a "necessary" property. If I am sitting down, it is a necessity that I am not standing up; but I don't possess the necessity as a predicate, and it's all predicated on my existence. You can say "Judechild is sitting down,and so it is necessary that Judechild is not standing up" but if Judechild does not exist then it does not matter that that necessity is true.

    If existence is not a predicate, then it does not add to the concept of a thing whether it exists in reality or only in the mind. If it does not add to the concept whether it exists in reality, then it is not "greater" to exist outside the mind (because greatness cannot be predicated on a non-predicate), and so the Ontological Argument fails.

    END

    I apologize if this is a rather elementary objection. I have been studying Christian Philosophy for only a year and being a 30 year old man have the rigors of life to contend with. I thank you for any time you can spend helping me understand how to defend this objection.

    STA

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  21. Hello, please bear with me as I am not a philosopher and I was redirected here from another site. I'm having a bit of trouble understanding several parts of this argument, so if you could explain I would greatly appreciate it. I don't understand premises 3 and 4 but for simplicity sake I'd like to just start with 3. Why must the MGB exist in all possible worlds if he exists in one? The definition of possible world used here explains that the possible world does not necessarily exist anyway. How do we go from the possibility that a MGB exists in a world that may or may not exist -to the MGB must exist in every world which may or may not exist? Isn't this like saying it isn't possible in any possible world for a MGB to not exist? I don't understand how this holds true or logical if we are simply discussing possibilities and not realities.

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  22. @ Anonymous who posted at 07:49 PM :
    Premise 4 follows from from a MGB being defined as being necessary, which means that if it exists in one possible world, it exists in all possible worlds.

    The proof of premise 1 contains errors. One error is the following :
    I am assuming entailment is a synonim for logical induction, the mathematical implication (noted as =>) or the IF ... THEN function of programming. In that case 'shape entails size' or more generally 'property A entails property B' are meaningless as the function entailment can only have statements as arguments and properties are not statements. Statements are either true or false.

    Correct would be 'if something has a shape then it also has a size'. However, if you rectify the statements about properties, you'll notice the proof being incorrect. For instance, something having the property of squaresingularity, does not entail that it also has the property of non-squaresingularity.

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  23. When I talk about one property entailing another, that technically means that if one property is instantiated, then another is instantiated. Because squarecircularity is an impossible property, then necessarily, if a property is instantiated, the negation of squarecircularity is also instantiated. Squarecircularity is not a great-making property, so this does not affect the argument.

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  24. I disagree. An impossible property cannot be instantiated, whether it is great-making or not.

    This is not a good platform for debating. (All the errors I thought I had corrected in my previous post are still there.) I suggest you present you argument on a forum where skeptics may also debate and post the link here. I can give a more detailed critique there.

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  25. Of course it can't be instantiated. If it were, it would entail its negation. Here is another way to think of it: The negation of maximal greatness is lesser-making. If maximal greatness were an impossible property, every other property would entail that lesser-making property, and hence there would be no great-making properties (since great-making properties do not entail lesser-making properties).

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  26. Hello Drew, I've been studying a little about this argument but there is a lot of things I need to learn first and I was wondering if you could help me a little, I need to know what defines a great making property, you say that those properties are better to have than to lack, but then, what's better? Is it better to be tangible or intangible? Is it better to be known or unknown?, I mean how can we know what's better?, what is the basis?, I hope you can help me a little with this, I would appreciate that and if you could give me some references or links where I can learn more, it would be great, anyway. Thanks for your time.

    Mario.

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  27. Awesome video bro, I have been searching for this Ontological Argument (a reasonable explanation of it) for like weeks! Thank Jesus that I found your video, it was so good, was a little bothered I couldn't compliment on the video, but then found the transcript from the description. God bless you.

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  28. Hello sir,

    I was hoping you could help me with another question. Why is God necessary? It seems like this is just assumed.

    I have been contemplating this for a while and I think I figured it out, but I thought I should check with you on this as well. Is God necessary because of His properties – Omnipotence, omniscience, moral perfection?
    For example, since God is omnipotent He must be necessarily in all possible worlds because if a possible world exists without God then His power is limited to only some worlds, meaning God is not all powerful. Therefore, God must be in all possible worlds if He is omnipotent.

    Is this why God is necessary?

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  29. Hey Drew.

    You've made a great video; I've watched it 5 times just to get everything to sink it. But I still have a few questions. What I don't understand is if maximal greatness can be shown to be incoherent (and hence, impossible), then your Model Perfection (MP) argument is moot (say that somehow omnipotence contradicted omnipresence). That's why I don't really understand why you even use the MP, because most athiests might respond to Premise 1 of the ontological argument and say that it's possible that the idea of a MGB is incoherent (I don't think it is, obviously).

    So here's my main question: are you using the MP argument to refute any athiest who would simply say that's it's just metaphysically impossible that a MGB exists, even if it's not an incoherent idea? I hope you understand my question.

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  30. does that mean that God is gracious in the worlds where only he exists? in other words, if the word "loving" from the video was substituted with the word "gracious," what would be the case? thanks:)

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  31. Hi Drew,

    I wonder if the moral subjectivist can resist this argument. According to moral subjectivism, nothing is objectively better than another thing, only subjectively so. If so, then there are no objective great-making properties, only subjective ones, since a property is great-making if it is better to have than to lack. In this case, it is no longer clear that the argument is logically valid. What do you think?

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    1. ANY argument can be resisted if you are willing to bite enough bullets. I would ask the subjectivist about things like intolerance, bigotry, pederasty, slavery, forced religious conversion, and the like. Is there something really wrong about them, or do you just not like the practices?

      That's why subjectivism is really hard to swallow.

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  32. I have responded thrice to the S5 objection.
    http://messianicdrew.blogspot.com/2011/06/ontological-argument-and-s5-objection.html
    http://messianicdrew.blogspot.com/2013/05/necessary-synthetic-truths.html
    http://messianicdrew.blogspot.com/2013/07/necessary-synthetic-truths-part-2.html

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  33. Hello Drew, I have several questions for you. Would you mind explaining to me how existence is not a property and necessity is? and of what consequence this is and how are you defining property? Also, are you going from premise 2 to 3 on the basis that a MGB is ipso facto necessary and not contingent? If not then how do you make that leap?

    Also, after a glance at some of the comments I think the argument would be tighter if it is acknowledged and stated that a MGB is maximally necessary thereby making everything else derivative of it. If everything else is derivative of it (in the sense of deriving its being via relation to it), the positing of a MBB (maximally bad being) lacks the principle of maximal necessity but derives its own being (maximal badness) from a property (say the infinite rejection of the MGB) precisely as a relation to the MGB, which entails that the MBB is dependent, derivative and determined by the MGB but not the other way around.

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  34. I also forgot to ask what you meant by: "If a MGB exists this means its existence is either necessary or impossible." How can the EXISTENCE of a MGB even POSSIBLY entail nonexistence (I'm assuming this is what impossibility here entails). What is the necessity in making this distinction? Either way though, wouldn't a necessary being ipso facto exist in all possible worlds and therefore in the actual world? This is Anselm's argument no? Even then would would have to explain and argue that a MGB is in fact necessary (maximally necessary?). So could one say instead: A MGB possibly exists, it does so in a possible world, if it does so in that possible world it does so with the property of maximal necessity, and if it does so with the property of maximal necessity then it exists in all possible worlds and thus it exists in the actual world. Please tell me if this is what you meant in the video!

    Also when you say: "If something IS possible it exists in the (a?) possible world." How is this different than contingency? And if you meant: "If something is possible it exists in all possible worlds" how do you conclude that? and how is this different from necessity?

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