Showing posts with label creationism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label creationism. Show all posts

Thursday, February 20, 2014

The True Purpose of the Ham/Nye Debate

Thunderf00t is one of the most famous atheists on YouTube. He minces no words telling people exactly what he thinks, even when it is unpopular and not politically correct. Normally, I ignore the cheerleading of the New Atheists, but this clip shows that Thunderf00t actually got the real point of the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye:




 Ironically, this is the one point in the debate in which Ken Ham clearly and decisively defeated Nye. But don't take my word for it. Atheist Michael Schulson says as much in his review in The Daily Beast:

Last night, it was easy to pick out the smarter man on the stage. Oddly, it was the same man who was arguing that the earth is 6,000 years old.

He goes on:

Nye went into the debate, he says, in order to protect and promote science education in the United States. His most important argument was that people like Ham are ruining America’s global competitiveness by weakening science education. It’s a shame that Nye pushed that point so strongly, because it was the one thing he said all night for which he did not have any actual evidence. Creationism in public schools may be a social disaster, but it’s hard to prove that it’s a financial one, too. And Ham was ready. He had a recorded statement in which Raymond Damadian, who helped invent MRI, expressed his firm belief that the world was created in six days, six thousand years ago, as outlined in Genesis. Ham’s message was clear—and accurate: you can be a creationist and invent economically useful stuff.

Nye made a video a while back, arguing that belief in creationism stifles a nation's ability to compete in industries that require scientific research. What is implied in Nye's case is that we should use the law to shut down creationism, lest we lose our ability to compete economically. It is the one important point of that debate, since it has political implications. If creationism is harmless, why spend all that time and energy trying to talk people out of it?

In this area, Ham gave quotes and showed video after video of young earth creationists who were also top research scientists. If there is one point in which Ham won the debate, it is that belief in creationism does not in any way damage one's ability to do scientific research.

This makes sense if you think about what scientific research entails. When you do economically useful scientific research, you are investigating how things currently work. One's belief as to what happened in the distant past is irrelevant. Bertrand Russell argued that there is no way to disprove the hypothesis that the world popped into existence five minutes ago with the appearance of age. We would have food in our stomachs from meals we never ate, and memory traces from events that never happened.

This is why one's view about origins is not relevant to one's ability to do economically useful scientific research. All the young earth creation groups that I know of, believe that species change over time. Bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics. You don't need to believe that all life evolved from a single-celled lifeform in order to do research as to how species currently change over time.

Michael Egnor has been particularly vocal about this issue.
I do use many kinds of science related to changes in organisms over time. Genetics is very important, as are population biology and microbiology. But evolutionary biology itself, as distinct from these scientific fields, contributes nothing to modern medicine. 
 The problem with evolution advocates: they argue that fields like population genetics require belief in the Darwinian model of biology. In fact, the dependency relationship is the exact opposite. The evolutionary tree of life depends on fields like population genetics. To argue that the converse is also true is to argue in a circle. The dependency is strictly one-way. Evolution is not the foundation of modern biology, but the metanarrative that they use to turn research into a coherent story.

Sunday, January 12, 2014

What Christians Can Learn From Skeptics: Editing Wikipedia



This is a video that every Christian or Messianic Jewish apologist needs to see. Susan Gerbic is one of skepticism's greatest geniuses for developing this method. The lecture itself is only 27 minutes long, and is absolutely worth viewing multiple times. This is a lecture by Susan Gerbic, who is a skeptic and anti-paranormalist. She leads a group of Wikipedia editors in order to infuse her ideology into Wikipedia. From Gerbic:
We use Wikipedia to shape the public's view of paranormal topics. We already know that shouting and belittling believers is not the way to go about changing minds. Guerilla skepticism is the act of inserting well-documented well-cited information into Wikipedia. We still follow all of Wikipedia's guidelines. We are also trying to improve the history of the scientific skeptical movement and document it. It allows editors to edit from home without being confrontational with people.

From a fan: "I am amazed at what great ideas you and your team have with Wikipedia. It is the opposite of harm reduction. I'll bet that 99% of hits on Wikipedia pages you update come from non-skeptics. The best part is the sure fact that they are going to Wikipedia means that they are in the moment in that ever-so-elusive information gathering phase of thought. For typical laypeople, that phase is shockingly short, and once it's over, it's over for most true believers."
Gerbic is absolutely right. People generally trust Wikipedia, and do not view it with the same degree of scrutiny with which someone would view an atheist website.

If you are a rising Christian apologist, but don't have the time, money, or experience to publish in professional journals or debate atheists on stage, that's fine. The Internet is a great place to conduct apologetics. Instead of wasting your time arguing on message boards or social media (like Facebook), why not learn to edit Wikipedia? It costs nothing but time, and it reaches an audience far more open-minded than anyone you will debate online. Remember that people trust Wikipedia as a reliable source of information, something not lost on Gerbic.

Gerbic's tactics have worked due to organization. Wikipedia has mobs of tens of thousands of editors. Gerbic's group is a small, but highly focused army of 90 editors, and it has changed the face of Wikipedia's paranormal pages, as well as its pages on famous skeptics, creationism, and evolution. As far as I know, there is not one single Christian apologetics organization that focuses on Wikipedia. Not one. Zilch. Zip. Zero. This needs to be fixed.

Gerbic's Tactics

Working Backwards: Instead of starting with a Wikipedia article, look for an article in a well-documented source, such as a book by Lee Strobel or Josh McDowell, and find a home for the information on Wikipedia. You're not creating a page for the topic, but finding apologetics and research material related to the topic, and then finding an article or several articles in which to insert the information. Gerbic says that one issue of Skeptic magazine can give you 100 edits on Wikipedia. I assume that Craig Keener's book on Miracles can give you far more.

Inserting Links: Find ways of getting those nifty blue links to your favorite apologists on to different pages. An example is mentioning J.P. Moreland or Richard Swinburne on the Dualism (philosophy of mind) page, and making sure that the name is linked, so that someone who is browsing philosophy of mind may decide to visit the apologist's page. Wikipedia articles are like potato chips, you cannot read just one.

We've Got Your Wiki-Back: Improving the Wikipedia pages of Christian apologists, so that when people visit their pages, they will have easy access to their works and materials. We want the Wikipedia pages for apologists like J.P. Moreland, Frank Turek, Lee Strobel, and Sean McDowell to be as full, updated, and rich with information as the pages for James Randi and Richard Dawkins. We are not doing this project for us. We are doing this project for the world, and especially for people who are on the fence about these issues. If we don't respect our spokespeople, who is going to respect them?

Relevant Topics: Topics and people that are relevant to apologetics. We want to add information from apologetics sources to Wikipedia topics such as creationism, intelligent design, pseudoscience, philosophy of science, dualism-interactionism, historical Jesus, eyewitness testimony, the minimal facts argument, and various arguments in natural theology. We need to add links to criticism of opponents of apologists, especially the ones that are in the news. People who are in the news get a lot of Wikipedia hits.

Specialists: Gerbic's World Wikipedia Project recruits people from all over the world who speak different languages, so that she can insert skepticism into pages in Dutch, German, Portuguese, Spanish, and other languages. We need people who can translate, and closed caption apologetics lectures so we can get them into other languages, which can then be imported into foreign language Wikipedia entries. We need photographers who can take and upload better photos of apologists and apologetics events, which can then create better pages for apologists and their events. Some people specialize as researchers. Others track and post pages that need updates and expansion. Some even monitor Wikipedia pages to make sure that the right edits go on them.

Working as a Team: Gerbic's team coordinates their projects. They train new Wikipedians on how to edit Wikipedia so that the edits stay. They proofread each other's work, and make sure that all material cites its relevant sources properly. They share tactics, discussing what does and does not work.

Bonus: And for anyone who doubts how effective her team has been, check out the results of their major projects.