Thursday, October 14, 2010
The Kuzari Principle
The Kuzari Principle argument is the primary outreach argument of Orthodox Jews to establish that Orthodox Talmudic Judaism is the one true religion. The Kuzari principle is as follows: Suppose that at least one hundred thousand people claim to witness a certain event. Then almost certainly, this event must have occurred. Since only Judaism claims that its origins are in national revelation rather than merely personal revelation, it must be the true religion. There are two versions of this argument of which I am aware. Here is the first.
Judaism makes these four claims:
1. At least 600,000 Israelites gathered at the bottom of Mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago.
2. All of the Israelites heard God speak to them at Mount Sinai, and they then asked Moses to be His prophet.
3. Moses received the entire Torah from God and taught the Torah to all of the Israelites standing at Mount Sinai.
4. The Israelites transmitted the Torah and also the history of the transmission process of the Torah from generation to generation in an unbroken chain of generations for over 3,300 years until today, with at least one hundred thousand Israelites in each generation of the chain.
Here is how the proof is supposed to work: Suppose that 100,000 people all claim to see a flaming unicorn appear in their midst. Is their testimony likely to be true? I think so. Suppose these 100,000 people form a community and all tell their children about the flaming unicorn incident. Is the witness of that entire second generation enough to establish that the first generation believed they saw a flaming unicorn? I think so too. When a third generation is produced, it attests the validity of the second generation's beliefs, which attests to the validity of the first generation's beliefs, which attests to the validity of the original event.
No matter how many generations away from the event you go, as long as you have that unbroken chain with at least 100,000 in each generation, you have proof of the original event. In this way, the modern Jewish people are in a sense direct witnesses to the events on Sinai.
So what's the catch? Why is this argument so thoroughly rejected by liberal Jews, many Modern Orthodox Rabbis, and even some Haredim?
The fatal flaw with this entire argument is in the central claim itself. Remember what it states: Suppose that at least one hundred thousand people claim to witness a certain event. Then almost certainly, this event must have occurred. Do you see the flaw? This version of the Kuzari Principle argument is really nothing more than a Sorites paradox.
What is a Sorites paradox? A Sorites paradox is a paradox that arises from vague predicates. The paradox of the heap is an example of this paradox which arises when one considers a heap of sand, from which grains are individually removed. Is it still a heap when only one grain remains? If not, when did it change from a heap to a non-heap?
Just because a sand heap can remain a heap when you remove one grain of sand, it does not follow that you can remove any number of grains of sand and expect that it will remain a heap. Likewise, if you hear the testimony of 100,000 people that they witnessed an event, is that the same as witnessing the event yourself? Is there absolutely no difference? I think there is. Hearing the testimony of the second generation attesting to the first generation is not as reliable as hearing the testimony of the first generation directly. You lose credibility with each generation.
In order for the argument to actually work, the Kuzari Principle would have to be reformulated as: Suppose that at least one hundred thousand people claim to witness a certain event. Then 100% certainly (or 100% minus some infinitestmal amount certainly), this event must have occurred. But that's obviously false. Hearing the testimony of 100,000 witnesses just isn't the same as being an eyewitness to the event.
If we think about this proof in mathematical terms, suppose we attached a percentage of certainty to the 100,000 witnesses. Let's say that the witness of 100,000 people gives you a 97% certainty that the event was true. The 97% figure is only for illustration purposes. It was chosen just as arbitrarily as the 100,000 figure. So speaking to the eyewitnesses of the event, you're 97% certain it happened. Speaking to the children of the eyewitnesses, you're 97% certain that the parents believed it, which if true would give you a 97% chance that the event happened. So 97% of 97% is about 94%. Not too bad, but at the 20 generation mark that brings you to about 54%. Twenty more generations takes you to about 30% certainty. Twenty more generations which would get you to around the time of the Macabees, and you're at 16%. Today, we are somewhere around 150 generations from the time of the event, which even under these generous probabilities, would you about 1% certainty based on oral tradition alone.
Here is the second version of this argument:
1. Suppose that a group of 100,000 people claim they have an unbroken line of tradition that a certain number of generations ago at least 100,000 people saw a single, spectacular, memorable event which we will call a national experiential tradition or NET for short.
2. If that claim is false, it would have to be introduced at some point without the event taking place
3. But such a claim of that type cannot be introduced without the event taking place
Conclusion: The claim must be true.
This is a better argument, at least this version is not fallacious. However, premise 3 seems weak. Why can't such a claim be fabricated? Proponents of the argument will usually give two reasons to support this premise.
First, all proposed scenarios where the claim slips into a national culture are implausible. How do you convince a nation of 100,000 people that such an event took place? Do you do it all at once?
My answer is: No, you can bring it in gradually through legendary development. Legendary development is a process by which oral traditions change as they are passed from generation to generation. The details change, and the stories often take on larger than life characteristics. Once you get past two generations from the original event, legendary development begins to wipe out the historical core. An example would be the legend of King Arthur.
Worse, the argument assumes a society in which texts and information are widely distributed, so that the people, when receiving a new text or story, will know that it is new. However, this is often not the case in ancient societies. People often had only the vaguest knowledge of their own family or national pasts, and were aware that information might well be in slow circulation about which they knew nothing. If an individual learned of what appeared to be that information, it would be welcomed and not questioned.
The second reason to believe premise 3 supported by Dovid Gottlieb, is that there are no counterexamples. Specifically, there are no stories that fit these five criteria:
1. The story must describe an event witnessed by a nation of at least 100,000.
2. The event must be one that would have created a national tradition.
3. The story was in fact believed to be true.
4. The believers included the nation composed of the descendants of those to whom the event was supposed to have occurred.
5. The story is in fact false.
These criteria seem both conveniently vague and enormously ad hoc i.e. contrived. It's almost as if in formulating the argument, Gottlieb did a survey of religions, observed which characteristics make Talmudic Judaism different, and made those characteristics his criteria for what constitutes true religion. Even if documents of a previously unknown ancient religion founded on national revelation were unearthed, Gottlieb could use the ambiguity in terms such as "national tradition" and redefine it to include Judaism and exclude the other ancient religion. And since such a religion would be long dead, one could not prove that all the descendants were were believers.
Also, why the figure of 100,000. Is 5,000 somehow not enough to verify an event? Gottlieb's methodology is like shooting an arrow into a tree and then painting the target around it.
Since Gottlieb has a degree in philosophy and mathematical logic, I hope he also realizes that there is no such thing as proof by lack of counterexample. Not in mathematics, not in philosophy, not even in history. A theorem is not proved by failing to find a counterexample. Otherwise, theorems like Goldbach's conjecture or the continuum hypothesis should be considered proven. This goes for science as well. If I claimed that there can be no gold spheres larger than 20 feet in diameter, and claimed as my proof the fact that there are no counterexamples, I do not think anyone would accept that.
Similarly, a historical hypothesis is not verified by a failure to find evidence against it. Instead, you have to show that if the hypothesis is false, there would be evidence against it. In this case, the proponent of the Kuzari Principle argument has the full burden of the proof. Good luck with that.
Besides, if we drop the arbitrary 100,000 requirement from the argument, then there is a plethora of counterexamples. The Kurukshetra War in India, the founding of Thebes, and the fouding of the Aztec nation to name just a few.
But speaking of counterexamples. Why are there no ancient Egyptian records of such an event taking place? The Kuzari proponent will reply: "The Egyptians did not record their defeats." Well hold on there, sparky. Does not that suggest that the Egyptians published a history and the millions of Egyptians that read it accepted it as true even though they knew it was untrue? So can you cause multitudes to accept a false history or not? Which is it? You cannot suck and blow from the same explanatory pipe at the same time.
It also may be the case that premise 1 of the argument is false. The Torah might not claim that there were at least 600,000 at Sinai after all. I think the problem is in assuming that the Hebrew word elef in the context of the Pentatuch only meant thousand. It could just as well have meant clan. If we are talking about 2,500 clans, we can get a number somewhere around 70,000 to 140,000. This figure is more consistent with ancient population statistics, as well as ancient archaeological evidence. Alexander the Great only had about 50,000 soldiers with him when he conquered Persia. Hannibal had about 20,000 soldiers with him. There were only about 20,000 soldiers in Egypt's army, so why would an Israelite army of 600,000 be afraid of them?
Also, if the larger figure is true, a mass exodus of 3 million people leaving Egypt, wandering through an uninhabited wasteland for 40 years, and then invading the Canaanite area would leave a massive trail of archaeological evidence. However, the much smaller figure would be able to make this type of journey without leaving such a massive trail. But if the smaller number is true, then the number at Sinai could be as low as 10,000, and we would not have the necessary 100,000 for the Kuzari argument to work.
To repeat, I am not arguing that the story of the Exodus is false. I believe that it is true. I am only arguing that it is not provable in the way that the Rabbis want it to be. By extension, the Rabbinic claim of an unbroken and uncorrupted line of Rabbinic Tradition and Oral Torah that dates back to Moses and Sinai is also not provable.
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I think you presented the argument fairly well in a ten-minute slot. I keep hoping to find a solid refutation of this principle but as with all other purported refutations, your's falls short.
ReplyDeleteYou misunderstand and thus both overlook and misrepresent the significance of Gottlieb's idea that there are no counter examples. This is not claimed to be a proof but is rather an objection to the notion that myth formation or what you call legendary development is responsible for belief in the Sinai event.
That there are no counter examples is significant because when you can't show a counter-example which demonstrates that myth formation can result in a false national experiential tradition then you have a job of explaining why something that has never been shown to work in this way in the remainder of recorded history (i.e. to produce false national experiential traditions), works in the case of the Sinai event. Furthermore, even if you ignore this objection, you still have to show how such a thing could plausibly have occurred.
In addition, your suggestion that Egyptians believing a selective history as told by the rulers' scribes is not a relevant counter example and doesn't come close to meeting the Kuzari criteria. This is in fact an error of logic on your part. The Kuzari principle pertains to a type of event that can't be believed unless it actually happened. You are speaking of a witnessed event being disbelieved and thus compare apples with oranges. Surely you aren't suggesting that those who witnessed the exodus disbelieved it because the official records (which they almost certainly couldn't read in order to be aware of) made no mention of it?
Of greater significance, even if we were speaking of similar events,the individuals you refer to exist only as a rhetorical tool. You have to make two whoilly unsubstantiated assumptions. Firstly that people witnessed an event and subsequently believed it not to have happened. And secondly that regular Egyptians believed the national traditions to be true. The reality is that we have no idea what Egyptians contemporary to the exodus actually believed. We know only what was recorded in the official national history because that is all that has survived from the era. Whether this official history was believed to be true or otherwise is thus merely conjecture on your part. All we do know with any certainty is that the custom of the times (found in all other regional civilisations, save for the Jewish Torah) was to expunge defeats from the official record. Hence the absence of any reference to the Exodus in Egyptian records is in line with what we should expect and is thus of no significance.
Finally, your argument in respect of meaning of the word elef and your subsequent attempt to diminish the number of people at Sinai makes no sense to anyone who reads and understands Hebrew. Whilst the word elef can also mean clan as well as thousand, it is clear from the context the phrase "כשש מאות אלף" is clearly a number. In Hebrew, just as in English when we say six hundred thousand, the word thousand is not pluralised. Howeverת if elef was referring to clans this would be pluralised and would thus have to appear in the Torah as "כשש מאות אלפים".
The notion of national revelation is unique to the Jewish religion and this alone marks Judaism as distinct from all other religions.
In all honesty, Stephen, I do not think you are really looking for a solid refutation of this principle, but are out to parrot what you have heard in Gottlieb's speeches.
ReplyDeleteA lack of counterexamples can be a part of a cumulative case, a piece of evidence that when added to others, can establish the likelihood of a conclusion. It's not very strong on its own. Otherwise, problems in philosophy such as the argument for the existence of other minds would have been solved by now.
The problem of the ancient Egyptians' belief cuts both ways. We do not know what the ancient Israelites believed regarding the Sinai event, but only what the official record states. If the Egyptians could falsify their records, what would prevent the leaders of ancient Israel from doing so?
One question with which I would challenge Gottlieb is: do we have even one example (outside of Jewish tradition, of course) where a momentous, implausible mass phenomenon that occurred at least 500 years ago has reached us through the collective memory of a group of people? Or better yet, where such a claim of a momentous event passed down entirely through oral tradition for at least a half millennium has later been verified by archaeological evidence?
As for the Hebrew, you understand that languages and spellings change over time, and Hebrew is no exception. Making the Yuletide gay meant something different when the song was released. זרע can mean seed or seeds, yet זרעים is also a valid way to say the plural (and is the first order of the Mishnah. Insisting that אלף could not possibly have been used in the plural oversimplifies the issue.
The notion of a national revelation, far from being unique to ancient Judaism, is so common in ancient cultures that ancient historians have a word for it: mythology.
1. You misunderstand Gottlieb's point about the lack of counterexamples. There is evidence for the Sinai miracles, it's which can be termed "National Tradition about a National, Nationally-Commemorated Event." That's step one of the argument. Step next step is to determine whether this form of evidence is fallible or infallible. Gottlieb claims that we simply have no right to claim that the evidence is fallible, since nothing similar has ever shown to be false. WHY DO YOU ASSUME THAT THE EVIDENCE IS FALLIBLE?
ReplyDelete2. The fact that the Egyptians didn't record the Exodus is entirely irrelevant to Kuzari. Kuzari claims that a nation will not believe a national event unless it happened. How do we know what the Egyptians BELIEVED? They aren't around for us to be able to ask them. What their Pharaohs recorded or failed to record does not tell me what the Egyptians actually believed.
3. Of course there were 600,000 people there. Read the verses about where they collected the half-shekels for the Tabernacle.
2. The Egyptians were able to push a contradictory history on the populace. If they could, why couldn't Israel?
ReplyDelete3. If you're referring to Shemot 38:26, it has the same figure as Bamidbar 1:46. The issue I have with taking the numbers at face value is excavation of Egyptian sites as well as sites in the Canaan area indicate a much smaller population. Yet there appeared not to be enough Israelites to take the land all at once. The figures are mostly rounded to the even 100s, and the ratio of adult males to firstborn males is 27 to 1.
1. In C.B. McCullagh's book Justifying Historical Descriptions, the author addresses historical generalizations. "Historical generalizations normally stat that a certain proportion of things which are members of one class (the referent class) are also members of another (the attribute class).
Gottlieb argues that we should accept the Exodus as historical on the basis that when a nation holds a national experiential tradition (NET), that tradition is almost certainly true.
That's an interesting hypothesis. Why should I believe it? Gottlieb would say that it's because there are no known counterexamples to his principle. That's a good start, as any candidate for a valid generalization needs to be without counterexample.
But now he needs to make a positive case for the validity of that principle. Usually that means giving arguments and citing examples of situations that fit the principle. Then he should publish the argument in a philosophy of history trade journal such as History and Theory.
The real Achilles' heel with this argument is that the proponent still bears the burden of proof.
I think you should solicit R. Gottlieb for his rebuttals to criticism you make in your video, which are popular criticisms. He does not make them public, but he has rebuttals. That being said, he is a Chassid and has ideological commitments to the concept of "Daas Torah", and shares many Charedim's acceptance of Talmud over science, essential literal readings of historical texts, etc., so he would be challenged by reducing the numbers witnessing revelation at Sinai in any sort of reading that diverges from a "literal" one (varient readings of "eleph" for ex). However I think the argument remains if one accepts that a sizable number of people totaling some 20,000 odd members can be a nation. Many such small nations exist, of even fewer numbers. It matters that as a wed collective they have the experience. And I think the Kuzari argument is valid, *for an experience* - not for any particular tradition or text making account OF the event(s); JTS prof. Benjamin Sommer accounts his acceptance of the event as historical, while embracing biblical criticism; the theophanies at Sinai from Torah are multiple and woven together for example. None of this would be accepted by the majority of Rabbinic/Orthodox Jews of course.
ReplyDeleteI would really hope that Gottlieb decides to publish his argument in a philosophy of history journal such as History and Theory. Then we could get a glimpse of how it stands up to the criticism of philosophers of history, and we could see his rebuttals and get a real measurement of the strength of his arguments.
ReplyDeleteI too believe that the event at Sinai is absolutely historical. But I find the best justification of that (and of the historicity of the Tanakh in general) is the testimony of Jesus of Nazareth.
To ask R. Gottlieb to do so is asking him to reenter academia...which he left after years of being Modern Orthodox, which he left to return to his initial Jewish exposure, Bostoner Chassidut. It is also to ask his research to be subjected to a fate similar to the 'celebrated' "equidistant letter sequences" paper in journal Statistical Science...which wasn't a pretty fate. If it were to occur, I don't think there would be many Faithful critics regarding the Kuzari(emph. on 2nd syllable, btw), principle as the ELS paper did. Many Orthodox attacked the methodology and muddled theology behind it. I think it would be best for you to solicit the responses from R. Gottlieb himself. In at least one class someone told me about, he acknowledged that the concept of the "Suffering and Death of the Righteous" DOES act as an atone for others sounded strikingly Christian...but then quipped that they can borrow a lot from 'us', but that doesn't make them right...
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ReplyDelete>I too believe that the event at Sinai is
>absolutely historical. But I find the best >justification of that (and of the historicity >of the Tanakh in general) is the testimony of >Jesus of Nazareth.
I believe that the real strength in the Kuzari argument vis-a-vis Christianity is not whether it happened or not. As you point out Christians also believe in the Sinai revelation.
However, are you really to believe that G-d revealed Himself in a very particular manner (i.e. non-trinitarian form, and non-incarnate form) to at least 600,000 people, but then only revealed Himself in the trinitarian, incarnate form to a mere 12 individuals?
Mattisyahu
Oh gosh, the Jewish-Christian debate has nothing to do with kuzari.
ReplyDeleteIf history is going to be a yardstick of validity or truth, the Mormon claim of 12 witnesses to the golden plates - all signed and named - blows any resurrection argument out of the water. Any non-biblical argument you use against Judaism, can be used *at least* as well against Christianity in favour of Mormonism.
You could not possibly be more mistaken about that. If there is anything history has shown us, it is that Mormonism has been proven false by historical investigation. The Bible, however, has been repeatedly verified by historical investigation.
ReplyDeleteThe Bible vs. the Book of Mormon
http://youtu.be/dTtq62XQ4jw
DNA vs. the Book of Mormon
http://youtu.be/6GF_SxbPLb0
Christianity has by far the strongest verifiable historical support of its claims, and absolutely trumps all other religions in this regard. And its historical verification is overwhelmingly superior to Judaism. Even the Mordechai Kaplans of New Testament scholarship have admitted the truth of the minimal facts supported by NT Wright and Gary Habermas, and William Lane Craig. And the New Testament has had some of the greatest predictive power regarding archaeological finds.
I'd recommend The Resurrection of the Son of God by N.T. Wright.
http://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Christian-Origins-Question-Vol/dp/0800626796/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308161110&sr=8-1
Dear Drew,
ReplyDeleteIn your video you said that we now are in the 150th generation therefore the odds of the testimony having credibility are highly low.
My question is: Since the testimony we now have is the chumash itself ( the pesach hagadah is basically a compound of pesukim) then the the last generation that you should have counted is the one that could not change the Tanaj because there were many different bibles spread, maybe there are some other criteria to fix from which generation on the Bible could not be expected to change. What can you say about this? I agree that the Kuzaris argument is not strong at all but i wanted to make this point clear.
YOU SAID:
But speaking of counterexamples. Why are there no ancient Egyptian records of such an event taking place? The Kuzari proponent will reply: "The Egyptians did not record their defeats." Well hold on there, sparky. Does not that suggest that the Egyptians published a history and the millions of Egyptians that read it accepted it as true even though they knew it was untrue? So can you cause multitudes to accept a false history or not? Which is it? You cannot suck and blow from the same explanatory pipe at the same time.
It is totally different to create a miraculous event in history that never occurred to not mention a national defeat. What can you say about this?
YOU SAID:
It also may be the case that premise 1 of the argument is false. The Torah might not claim that there were at least 600,000 at Sinai after all. I think the problem is in assuming that the Hebrew word elef in the context of the Pentatuch only meant thousand. It could just as well have meant clan. If we are talking about 2,500 clans, we can get a number somewhere around 70,000 to 140,000. This figure is more consistent with ancient population statistics, as well as ancient archaeological evidence. Alexander the Great only had about 50,000 soldiers with him when he conquered Persia. Hannibal had about 20,000 soldiers with him. There were only about 20,000 soldiers in Egypt's army, so why would an Israelite army of 600,000 be afraid of them?
From where do you get that the word ELEF could mean clan? the only translation found in Shimon Zilbermans dictionary is thousand. I do not have a verse in mind but the world ELEF its probably used somewhere else in the bible meaning thousand.
Why would the Israelites would be afraid?
Weapons and a trained army against weak slaves with probably many psychological issues between them a lack of confidence caused by the burden of the slavery.
Great analysis by the way
Kind Regards